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Château Living Part I – To Buy Or Not To Buy?

February 28, 2021 by libertatemamo 23 Comments

It’s been almost two weeks since we moved into the Château.

This is a full-time doggie job

White flowers are blossoming on the ornamental cherry trees, violets are sprinkled throughout the forest and brilliant yellow daffodils provide splashes of color on the lawn. The sun is out, and morning coffee on the terrace has become a daily ritual followed by daytime work in the main salon & adjoining drawing room. For a mansion that has over 10 main rooms as well as a next-door house with another 8 or so, it’s kind of hilarious that we squeeze our entire family into just two of them, but I guess all those years of RV living leaves its mark? Well that and the COLD. But I’ll get to that in a moment….

Our other daily ritual is walks around the property with Polly.

She’s become quite the Château-dog and now considers the entire 25-acres area her personal domain. With land this size, it’s a full-time doggie job that requires dedication and fastidious canine responsibility. There’s no end of places to sniff and check, not to mention the hours that must be spent in front of the main door monitoring the enormous driveway and being ready to bark at the neighbors sheep if they happen to slip into sight.

Ah yes, Château life is interesting and GRAND and such a unique experience that it does make you think.

Could this be a way of life for us? Is it worth it to buy a Château in France?

Our time here is allowing us to explore that question, and the first answer comes today….

Our lovely morning breakfast nook. Could something like this be our future life?

We Are One Of Thousands

There are an incredible amount of Châteaux in France.

There’s no exact list of the actual number, but estimates run up to ~45,000 of all sizes, ages and shapes.

At any given time there are up to 1,000 Châteaux  for sale in France (Source: https://investir.lesechos.fr/)
Older Châteaux were built for defense, not beauty (source: https://www.chateauxpourtous.fr/)

Some of the oldest buildings are stone fortresses with walls that can be up to 2 meters thick. They were built to withstand marauding armies and are often in spectacular locations, with expansive views for defense, and large, imposing walls. They also tend to be bulky, bitterly cold and dark. Windows were a rarity in those days (only small openings with bars, and perhaps a wooden shutter or some wax paper to cover) and chimney fireplaces a luxury not seen until the 12th century.

The “newer” Châteaux, especially those from the Renaissance era and onwards, are much more elaborate and flowery.

This was the prime-time of French noblesse and power, where stately homes were routinely built in the countryside en masse by the rich. The grandest of these is undoubtedly the Chateau de Versailles which became the royal residence of Louis XIV in 1682. Think massive imposing building with lots of multi-paned windows, spires and elaborate interiors with arches, carvings, wood panels, wallpapers, marble, gold and gilt. The ultimate showcase of pride, richness and prestige.

It became the architectural benchmark for Châteaux all across France.

Chenonceau Chateau, one of the most iconic properties in the Loire Valley (source: Vincent Voyages)

The Loire Valley in central France is an exceptional example of this. Known as the Valley of the Kings, it has over 300 Châteaux along a 175-mile stretch many of which were elaborately renovated and expanded during this time (if you ever want a serious “Châteaux-fix” in France, the Loire is definitely the place to go). But other areas also followed suit with noblemen building countryside retreats all across the land. Basically if you were anyone of note between the 17th and 18th century, you had a Château somewhere.

The Loire Valley, also know as the Valley of Kings and has over 300 Châteaux along a 175-mile stretch

This latter period of history is the very reason there are so MANY Châteaux in France, especially the pretty/flowery type. So while you can still find a lot of interesting stone fortresses, the vast majority of French Châteaux are built in a style that reflect renaissance times and the “modern” eras thereafter.

Exactly like the one we’re living in at the moment….

This Château was built to look late renaissance-era (even though it is much more “modern” in age)

This Could Be You Too!

At any given time there are anywhere from 400-1000 Châteaux for sale in France. And some of them are real bargains…to buy.

There is no nationwide MLS in France so you can’t go to one place to see all properties for sale country-wide, but there are a ton of individual real-estate firms (each of which have their own website listings) as well as several large platforms where multiple firms list on. A perusal of some of these sites, such as seloger.fr (https://www.seloger.com/), French-property.com (https://www.french-property.com/), Leggett (https://www.frenchestateagents.com/) and LeBonCoin (France’s equivalent of Craigs List, https://www.leboncoin.fr/) show hundreds of Chateaux with superbly varied pricing.

Fancy this little 7-bedroom Château for a mere EUR 546,000? (source: French-property.com)

Below EUR 500,000 you can find smaller spots with work with do. Between EUR 500,000 to 1,000,000 you can nab medium-sized spots or spots with partial reno’s and above EUR 1,500,000 you can get some rather swanky properties, with reno’s already partially or fully complete. The average for a habitable place seems to be around EUR 600,000-800,000, but there’s tons of variation. And yes, that’s for a WHOLE Château plus any grounds that go with it. Wow, right?

Perhaps this baby with a MOAT for EUR 800,000??? (source: leboncoin)

But buying your little slice of French history is just the first step in your Château adventure…..

Or maybe you want to go all-out with this little 20-bedroom spectacular for EUR 2.3M? (source: prestige-property.uk)

Beware the Extra Costs…

Costs, costs, costs….they all run up.

Errr yeah…this place is a bargain (and the dog is super cute) but I’m guessing there’s a “bit” of work to be done

It’s got to be said that most of the “budget” Châteaux (say, below EUR 500,000) in France are not in the best of condition. The French Revolution of 1789 marked the end of the French noblesse, and a great number of the grand old Châteaux got destroyed and ransacked. Then many years later during the two World Wars, Châteaux were commandeered and used as military headquarters. A few of these were subsequently taken over and maintained by the government, but most were not and those that remained in private families have struggled to survive. On top of that huge inheritance taxes and maintenance costs (and kids that don’t want all that) mean that many castles are simply abandoned or fall into ruin when the older generation passes away.

It happens….A LOT.

So yeah, there are lots of Châteaux for sale in France, but many of them are in serious disrepair and require a ton of work. This not only means you have to put in more money up-front (mortgages are much harder to get on abandoned Château, usually requiring substantial down payments before the bank will accept to finance them), but you also have to infuse quite a lot of cash to bring the property up-to-date and make it livable.

The latter can easily double or triple the original price of the building!

These guys do a wonderful job on their YouTube channel & are another good binge for Château lovers

For starters, there are basic improvements that absolutely have be made such plumbing (older Château may not even have running water or bathrooms), electricity, septic tanks not to mention roof replacements and basic structural work. Then there’s the “nice” stuff such as heating, windows (e.g. upgrading to double-pane), painting, plastering, interior decor etc. Plus each reno project has a sizeable budget. For example a Chateau roof can easily cost $100-200K to replace, the septic tank another $25K, a stone chimney another $10K, and so forth and so on…

From various written accounts I’ve seen, average Château reno costs run between 1500 to 2000€/m².  So if you buy a “medium-sized” 500 m² Château for 400,000€, you may need to budget at least another 750,000€ to fully renovate it. Yeah, now it’s starting to add up….

As you may imagine, most Château owners try to do a substantial part of the reno’s themselves.

Beautiful big properties often carry many extra costs

There Is Help To Be Had (With Caveats)

If your property is classified by the government as a historic monument (e.g. monument classé ou monument inscrit) that can bring both benefits and negatives.

There are major benefits (and negatives) to getting classified

The biggest benefit is that you may be able to get help with restoration costs. There are government aides (through DRAC) which can help with 10-50% of reno costs. On top of that there may be local aides (collectivités territoriales) and even foundations (e.g. la Fondation pour les Monuments Historiques ou les Vieilles Maisons Françaises) that can help. Plus there may be tax benefits too. There are limits to how much you can get back, but as with many things in France if you know where to look and how to apply (i.e. the right paperwork to use), you can get a lot done.

The biggest negative is the local branch of the Architecte de Bâtiments de France (ABF) has to be involved in approving any changes to the property, to preserve the look and heritage of the place. Mostly these are limited to external changes but sometimes internal changes have to be approved too, depending on the level of the building’s protection. O….M….G.

Given that took us 4 months to replace a standard septic tank in our not-at-all-noble-or-anything-historical farmhouse, I can’t even imagine the headache of paperwork and time involved in doing anything with the guys at ABF.

But hey…if you’re buying a Chateau you should be ready to be in it for the long haul, right?

Maintenance Costs Are Also Substantial

Once you’ve bought your little piece of French noblesse and put in your reno time & costs, it’s all smooth sailing, right? Well…..not quite.

We have several fireplaces here, but none are operational (chimneys need reno)

Running costs are your next consideration, and like all the rest they are not the faint of heart. I’ve watched a bunch of YouTube Château reno videos, and also consulted several websites and written accounts, and from what I can tell the basic running costs for a small to medium Château are around 20,000 to 30,000€ per year. For a bigger Château you may have to bump that to 40,000-60,000€ per year. That includes property taxes, basic on-going maintenance, electricity/water, garden & grounds, and not-to-be-trifled-with heating.

Which brings me to the COLD!!

Perhaps the first thing we noticed when we moved into the Château here were the temps. Coming from our cozy place up the hill with our newly-installed pellet boiler, we hadn’t thought about heating for a while. But here in the big mansion we suddenly became very, very aware.

And it’s a common problem.

Almost every single YouTube channel devoted to Châteaux talk about heating, and pretty much every written account I could find does too. In the older fortress-style Châteaux with thick stone walls it’s a constant problem, but even with renaissance-style mansions it’s an issue too. These big old houses are COLD so either you heat with wood from your own on-site forest (if you have one), which involves working fireplaces and extensive chopping & manual labor, or you pour a bunch of cash into heating installation/use.

In the two weeks we’ve been here we’ve had the fuel-oil-sourced heating (the only possibility) almost constantly on, plus we’ve had to bring in two supplemental electric heaters just to get by despite living in only two rooms. The rest of the Château is bone-cold chilly and will likely stay that way until the warmer months.

Perfect for summer, but perhaps a bit on the nippy side the rest of the year?

So pretty, but so chilly!

Most Folks Make A Business Out Of It

As you may have guessed by now, unless you have wads of cash to spare, no-one in their right mind would buy a Château just for their own enjoyment.

The vast majority of Château make a business out of it (source: https://www.chateaubouffemont.com/)

The vast majority of privately-owned Châteaux make the whole thing work with a combo of overnight stays (Gîtes), weddings, private events and more. And that CAN be lucrative if you work at it. For example if you’ve got 5 or so rentable rooms, and and you book ten or so weddings each year you can bring in 50,000 to 100,000€ per year, well enough to cover costs and a little extra for renovations. Plus if you’re savvy enough you can do YouTube, Patreon, maybe even real-time TV on top. Hmmm….not bad!

Most of what you make goes right back into the property (and taxes) of course, but it’s a pretty unique business.

Which brings me back to our original question. Is it worth it to buy a Château in France?

I think it’s a very individual decision. It IS totally possible to get a really good deal, especially if you are handy and willing to do a lot of the reno work yourself. Plus it IS totally possible to make it work, but it does also take an incredible amount of time, dedication and money. And it’s not really a long-term investment. People buy a Château for one singular reason. To live a unique life in a property they love, and to share that experience and place with others. A life of passion, in a place of history.

So is it the future for us? Well, I’m not so sure, but we’re still exploring and will certainly let you know.

Up Next -> Our internal Château tour. Stay tuned….

It IS a beautiful life…

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  1. sue says

    February 28, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    You Devil! You tease us! I was looking at booking passage to come visit in your new/old Chateau!

    Reply
    • libertatemamo says

      March 1, 2021 at 1:50 am

      Yesssss i am a bit of a tease 🙂

      Nina

      Reply
  2. Dan Scott says

    February 28, 2021 at 6:08 pm

    Cheaper to restore an older motorhome. .
    I’m enjoying your posts on life in France.

    Reply
    • libertatemamo says

      March 1, 2021 at 1:52 am

      It sure would be!!

      Nina

      Reply
  3. Pauline Conn says

    February 28, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    Haha! My very first thought was, “OMG, the paperwork!”

    Reply
    • libertatemamo says

      March 1, 2021 at 5:24 am

      Haha!! YES!!! Exactly.

      Nina

      Reply
  4. Sue Malone says

    February 28, 2021 at 7:22 pm

    Really? You are even considering buying a chateau? I somehow find that astounding, and can’t wait to see how all this turns out. Brrr….the cold would stop me…cold!!! I despise being cold. LOL And I do like smaller cozy spaces. Our original plans for our home was 2400 sq ft, and we downsized it to 1856. Although I do sometimes wish I had a quilt room rather than a quilt closet, it is perfect for us. Easy to keep up, never drafty. Cozy in winter, cool in summer and full of light. My best friend bought a 2800 foot house with 12 foot ceilings just a mile away and it is quite lovely, but feels cavernous to me. Needless to say, the thought of living in a chateau sounds….well…not for me. But I guess it might sound wonderful for lots of reasons to many others. Really looking forward to your posts about life in the chateau.

    Reply
    • libertatemamo says

      March 1, 2021 at 1:51 am

      I have to admit we’ve seriously considered it. It’s a fascinating lifestyle, and I do love big changes. But it does also require a massive commitment of time and money. We’ll see…..

      Nina

      Reply
  5. Janna says

    February 28, 2021 at 7:27 pm

    I’m not letting the Cowboy read this post–he will start thinking he needs a Chateau to restore next! I’m anxious to hear the rest of this story!

    Reply
    • libertatemamo says

      March 1, 2021 at 1:49 am

      Hahaha!!!! If I could import you and the Cowboy over to France I’d buy a Château in a New York minute. I’ve never seen a couple so handy and efficient. I just know you’d do something amazing with it.

      Nina

      Reply
  6. Bob McLean says

    March 1, 2021 at 6:05 am

    I spent the first 10 years of my life in a non-insulated, single pane windowed farm house in rural Nova Scotia, so not a big fan of shivering in the cold. My idea of “stoking the fire” is to get up and push the “up” button on the thermostat. But hey! To each his own.
    As you were describing all of the not so hidden costs, I was beginning to think of that movie “The Money Pit” (1986, Tom Hanks) with a hint of “Fawlty Towers” thrown in.
    It’ll be fun to READ about, whatever you do. Have fun!

    Reply
    • libertatemamo says

      March 1, 2021 at 7:13 am

      Oh gosh…Fawlty Towers. Now there’s something I haven’t watched in a looong time. Now, I’m going to have to go binge on it a bit 🙂

      Nina

      Reply
  7. David Michael says

    March 1, 2021 at 9:29 am

    Nina, I love your writing style! I encourage you to wrap up your best stories into a book on Amazon so the world can experience your adventures in France.
    Speaking of adventures, Nomadland, the movie, won best Director and best Picture last night on Golden Globes. My wife and I spent time with Jessica Bruder, the book author, at Desert Rose RV park when we worked at Amazon for a Christmas season of three months and 50 hour weeks. Your mention of cold temps in the Chateaus reminded me of when our RV completely froze and we had to spend time in the laundry room of the office to get warm. The Chateau sounds a bit more inviting!

    Reply
    • libertatemamo says

      March 4, 2021 at 9:13 am

      How interesting that you met the book author! And I love your story of the laundry room LOL. Anything to stay warm.

      Nina

      Reply
  8. Angie Quantrell says

    March 1, 2021 at 9:40 am

    Not for the faint of heart! But what an adventure and bucket list trip! At least if you decide to go for it, I can do it vicariously. 🙂

    Reply
  9. Cynthia Huff says

    March 1, 2021 at 1:26 pm

    Thank you! Such interesting information.
    Of course it sounds so costly to have a chateaux… but if someone has the cash to buy an ordinary 2-3 million dollar home in the states, why not have a chateau in France instead? We will come house sit and feed the chickens for you if the chateau is also on the Mediterranean ‼️ We are very handy.

    Reply
    • libertatemamo says

      March 4, 2021 at 9:16 am

      You’ve hit it exactly exactly it Cynthia. It’s the question of what can you get for your money? Of course the answer depends very much on where! In New York City you might be able to buy a one-bedroom apartment, whereas in France you could get a chateau for the same money. Tempting eh? But yes, those reno and running costs are not to be trifled with.

      Nina

      Reply
  10. Jodee Gravel says

    March 2, 2021 at 3:57 pm

    So much to consider but not surprising you’ve done lots of research on the whats and how and how muches. Just being there for now is a grand adventure – can’t wait to see the interior!!

    Reply
  11. Sarah says

    March 9, 2021 at 9:23 am

    Oh Nina!
    We bought our ‘dream’ house in Australia in 2007, whilst not a chateau by any means, was a very large, very expensive and luxurious older home on acreage. Over the 10 years we owned it, we felt it ‘owned’ us….no matter how much energy and effort we put in to cleaning, maintaining, refurbishing, landscaping, gardening etc….it was just never enough. We did a lot ourselves, we hired help (continuously), we hired extra help to help the help….and watched our bank account dwindle more and more, beyond even my conservative projections. In the end we grew to despise the place….we literally couldn’t wait to get rid of it….our ‘dream’ had well and truly become our nightmare. Many of our friends were envious of our grand lifestyle….until we offered a few of them the chance to house sit for us whilst we went off travelling for a month or two. That set them straight! We new we had to sell just to get our sanity back, however, a changed property market meant that this took almost FOUR years!

    During that time, I remember so clearly devouring your blog, reading about the freedom and adventure you both had found on the road, and a life unencumbered by the obligations of home ownership. I was both envious and inspired at the same time, and it was one of the things that led us to our current plan of European motorhome travels (as soon as the COVID situation improves). And later, when you had moved to France, your cosy home base in such an amazing location, with the smaller motorhome for quick jaunts all over Europe seemed like an even more enticing lifestyle.

    Every day I am grateful we were finally able to get rid of the money pit / sinking hole / my ‘beautiful nightmare’ as I used to call it….and I have vowed that I will never again get into a similar position where I am enticed by a beautiful home if it will be prevent me (a true nomad at heart) from my yearning to wander far and wide, in a spontaneous fashion, whether that be due to maintenance needs or excessive costs. It cost us A LOT to truly understand how much more we value experiences (travel mainly) over things.

    It’s a very BIG decision…..I’m sure you’ve both given it a lot of thought. I hope whatever you decide will bring you joy and happiness!

    Warm Regards,

    Sarah

    Reply
    • libertatemamo says

      March 10, 2021 at 6:23 am

      Wonderful insights Sarah, and exactly the kinds of questions we’ve been posing. I do believe you become bound to your house, when you buy something like this. It’s inevitable as it’s all-consuming. For some that’s the dream, for others a nightmare. Paul and I do love our freedom (in all ways) so I can’t see a chateau in our future unless it becomes a family enterprise. Thank you for sharing your own story on this!

      It’s always fun to dream 🙂

      Nina

      Reply
  12. Laurel says

    March 11, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    Home (or chateau) ownership is all very intriguing and seductive…but the reality is not quite so enchanting. We’re not yet ready to resume our full-time travels, and have decided to stay put here in Florida in my parents’ home that we’ve recently renovated. But the renovations never end! I’m determined to find the balance between the pleasure and comfort of a home and our desire for more travel. It’s a challenge! I know you understand.

    Reply
    • libertatemamo says

      March 14, 2021 at 8:53 am

      I TOTALLY understand. I think we’re trying to find that exact balance right now, and the Pandemic year has not made it easy.

      Nina

      Reply

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